Not Sure How I Feel About Dimps Developing Dragon Ball: Xenoverse

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  • TheGameTagerZ

    Keep in mind that this is an opinion piece and it does not represent ShonenGameZ as a whole.

    • Andreas Aigalew

      okay

  • shaddrag

    All I can think of when I hear 2D is Street Fighter, and I don’t want my Anime games to be like that.

    • TheGameTagerZ

      Well not every 2D fighting game is like street fighter…have you played Ultimate Ninja? Budokai? Jump Ultimate Stars? Smash Bros?

      There’s different ways you can tackle 2D gaming.

      • shaddrag

        Unfortunately never did, only ever played 3D ones on PS3 and all I remember playing on PS2 was DBZ Budokai which I absolutely loved and play the HD Collection from time to time.

      • Edward Hill

        But 3D fighters feel more representative of the dragon ball anime. I like having the option to create some distance after I’ve taken a beating to charge and spam beams. I feel more involved making strategic choices, unlike a 2D fighters where you have no chance to breath.

        • TheGameTagerZ

          I can agree 100% that 3D anime fighters represent the material (if done correctly) the best way BUT it sacrifices the more hardcore elements because a lot of buttons are dedicated to camera and movement.

          Since 2D is limited only in the sense of movement compared to 3D you have more buttons to dedicate to attacks. The more involved argument doesn’t really hold because if someone is bad at a 2D fighter they could say that but if they were good at it there is literally so many options on the table.

          Visually 3D doesn’t look limiting but when it comes down to the combat it’s not as satisfying as a 2D fighter. Although again not knocking the 3D series or Xenoverse cause I’m also a big fan of these things. When I pick up a 3D game though I already know not to expect much competitive play out of it.

          • Jordan Maurice

            But when you compare the budokai to the raging blast in both you have a light and heavy attack you can grab in both you have charge attacks in both you have chases and counters in both but in raging blast you also have alot more dodging options and each character has a signature skill and you can combo cancel in both

      • micheal johnson

        most of those are 3d games that just commited to the 2d fighting angle to better serve the combat, another good example is super dbz, I think that game went about it the best, by the way I enjoy these opinion pieces you should do them m, especilly when news is slow.

        • TheGameTagerZ

          Super DBZ was a very weird game but it handled the vision of 2d and 3d well but it was too hard for newcomers to get into.

          We got more original pieces coming cause news has been pretty slow lately.

          • micheal johnson

            good 🙂

  • Personally, I prefer the games to be in 3D. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Budokai series and Burst Limit was pretty good, but I feel that making the Dragon Ball games 2D fighters is too limiting.
    Same with Naruto. I really enjoyed the PS2 games and would enjoy seeing another game in that style, but the 3D style gives you more freedom.

    • TheGameTagerZ

      Going to respectfully disagree on a few things:

      -2D isn’t limiting combo wise because more buttons can be dedicated to more attacks whereas the 3D games a lot of the controls is dedicated to the flying, movement and camera .

      -I think having options and more games can give us that “fresh” experience with Naruto and DBZ again. For some reason people think whenever they bring up 2D that 3D will never come back. 3D is here to stay but there should be some sort of balance.

      • I respect your opinion.
        I know that the 2D games give more potential for moveset combos. What I meant terms of movement. DBZ characters can’t fly around in the 2D games in the same sense as what they can in the 3D games.

  • Naruto Uzumaki

    3D is great and so is 2D but its been a while since a budokai like game, thats something that needs to be done again , although Xenoverse is already looking better than most dbz games

    • Quentin Moore

      No looking better than all Dbz Games

      • Naruto Uzumaki

        Pretty Much I haven’t even played it and I can tell

  • Alexanderlovin Her Smith

    idec tbh i mean a game is a game now since this is a multi plat maybe yall particular gamers can let this one slide and give namco bandai feedback on tha next one

    • TheGameTagerZ

      I have no problems with Xenoverse. I just didn’t expect it from Dimps but it is looking quite stunning visually. It might be one of the best 3D Dragon Ball fighters period because its Dimps.

      • Alexanderlovin Her Smith

        yeah i agree with that

      • micheal johnson

        i think any worries budokai fans have will be dependent on how the combat feels. i was into the tenkaichi series when i was younger and had never truly played a budokai game until a few months ago when i picked up the hd collection and raging blast a few months ago, I had always thought 2d games were outdated and just couldn’t capture dbz, i was wrong. i enjoyed it far more than raging blast which had very dissatisfying combat system that mainly relied on the specials to be the meat of combat, I enjoyed looking at it more than playing it,which I cant say about budokai (though I hate the dragon rush it throws off the skill the game takes), the intimate combat made the fights more rewarding, but i felt that it would benefit from a limited 3d environment (like storm or the old revolution series), and a lot of the features that were in the tenkaichi/ raging blast series. the 3d just gives the player the dbz experience and allows for better stage exploration/destruction (burst limits backgrounds almost seem wasted because you cant interact with them), if dimps can keep the combat depth skill, and intamicy, as well as tenkaichis speed and 3d features we could have the perfect db game. it all would depend on what they focus on the most in the battle system, which should be the quality of the hand to hand combat, and if any company can make a 3d fighting game that plays like a 2d one its dimps (this is as far as my trust in them goes). so far no db game has preformed on all cylinders,tenkaichi is still my favorite series but i haven’t played in six years and nostalgia (up to a couple months ago) has blinded me to its flaws, since i had low expectations for budokai i noticed its flaws immediately and almost wrote it off (the game flaws is a totally different conversation all together though), all fans need to put nostalgia aside and see what would truly make the best game, but the 2d angle isn’t what makes budokai great, and if dimps worked hard those 2 years I’m confidant they can make a 3d fighter the likes of which the world has never seen, maybe something even evo worthy. the game play we’ve seen so far wasn’t really competitive and its supposed to get way better (don’t know how much different to expect though), i’m sure dimps put budokai players first though (as well as treevaxs rb3 project) they take their fighters very seriously and so far xv seems to be the most complete db game yet.

        • TheGameTagerZ

          Nostalgia is sadly a huge part of the issue with a lot of the Tenkaichi/Raging Blast fans. It happened to me too back when I was playing Tenkaichi 2 and 3. I even ignored the terrible Wii online mode and said it was “pretty good” when I knew damn well it was near unplayable.

          If Dimps can make a 2D Budokai game that also has a middle ground for 3D fans I think there would be a nice happy medium for hardcore fighters and casuals.

          • micheal johnson

            I agree, I hope hyper dbz gives them verification that there are still 2d fans, and begin making a game to specifically cater to them, variety is always good if done well, and i think all fans would be satisfied with a game similar to burst limit (just with more content, and a fighting system overhaul) if they gave it a chance, though i think they should give another studio a shot so we can get something new and innovative, its selfish of me but with what i’ve seen of xv I want dimps to stay with 3d for the next few years, or however long it would take o make xv2 (I assume that they’re approaching the content grouping like the heroes games, dbz then db/non canon)

  • obamcarehero

    is the whole point of this really to just read a ONE persons opinon? shouldnt there be a different place then where actual news and updates are? thats what youtube is for, like i said, i dont see the point in an entire artical about someones doubt in developer but who is most likely gonna buy it anyway

    • TheGameTagerZ

      You say this like there’s opinion pieces everyday. Almost every gaming website has their opinion pieces even SaiyanIsland has had a few.

      I have no doubt in Dimps as a developer. I hope you read the piece in its entirety and not just the headline. I said the game looks great and I thought Dimps was doing an excellent job, I do not hate 3D I have Tenkaichi 2-3, early in days I was one of the top 100 players on the Wii version with Ultimate Gohan.

      I mean if you want this site to post only news then how do we stand out from everyone else? We just look like robots. We put our free time in to get translations in a timely matter so why can’t we feel free to make articles that stand out and give ourselves a voice? Good or bad what does it matter?

      • obamcarehero

        no. i didnt read ALL of it, just parts. because i didnt want to waste my time on a pointless post. i remember you specifically saying that you dont want to force news or things of the sort just because its scarce. yet thats exactly what this. and im not saying you cant speak your mind , but all this is, is a glorified forum post. why did your opinion have to be front page ?

        • TheGameTagerZ

          I can’t take anything you said seriously if you only read like 2 sentences. Feel free to go elsewhere for news then. There’s a dozen places where you can find straight up news.

          That’s all I have to say to you honestly. If you don’t want to read feel free, don’t post like you read it though. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

          • obamcarehero

            Right, if I don’t like a certain post and say that I don’t like it, then I should leave and find a new place. This is exactly why this site won’t be more then a small fan site made by people who left a bugger site and threw a fit about it

            • TheGameTagerZ

              Well you don’t know what went behind the scenes during what happened on the site we were previously on.

              Feel free to find a new place. If you don’t respect the news, translations or original pieces then I will respectfully ask you to leave.

    • micheal johnson

      most news articles are 50% news and 50% opinion, theres no news at the moment and all of us are anticipating and wondering about xv and weather or not it will be good or bad for us as the individual, the writer is simply conveying his concerns hera as well as allowing us to vent ours in the comments. we may all buy the gave for the novelty, to enjoy the new features, but that doesn’t mean that we’ll love it, that especially goes for budokai lovers who fear that xv signifies 3ds final takeover of db games(and that budokais gameplay will be lost), though I have different views on some things I still enjoy the article.

  • Omoi

    Sorry, just to clarify, TheGameTagerZ is Kevin Sanchez?
    Edit: Upvoted by TheGameTagerZ, assuming that he is Kevin Sanchez. Thanks Kevin. 😉

    • DI

      who the f*ck is kevin sanchez?

  • DI

    I dont think there’s anything bad about they making this game a 3D fighter considering that it is gonna have 2vs2 fights and character creation and stuff like that a 3D game is the best way to do it cause in a 2D fighter it would be weird and ppl would complain about it more than they are complaining now

    • TheGameTagerZ

      You can still do 2v2 with a tag team system in place as well as character creation.

      3D games are best to get the “anime feel” and 2D is best for its deep fighting mechanics that people who play Budokai professionally were able to master.

      • DI

        you said so 2vs 2 tag team but aint doing tag team they are making 4 characters to fight at the same time and I’ve never seen character creation in a 2D fighter

        • TheGameTagerZ

          Super Smash Bros, Jump Ultimate Stars, One Piece Super Grand Battle Playstation All Stars, Battle Stadium D.O.N., Naruto Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3. Just to name some off my head.

          • DI

            do any of those games have the same style as dbz games have? no, just look at some of the games you mentioned that contain dbz characters they look like joke characters comparing to how they are in dbz only games they dont even fly or make those mountain breaker attacks cause it doesnt fit the style of the game, there’s a lot of series that can be put as 2 vs 2 2D fighters but dbz aint one

            • TheGameTagerZ

              You didn’t make your point well but we can agree to disagree. I’m not here to argue with anyone. Just to listen to feedback and question them so that I can understand their want or hatred for 2D.

              When I say 2D I don’t mean I want a Street Fighter, or a Tekken. Budokai was a happy medium for casuals and for the hardcore fanbase.

              Also if you remember in Budokai 3 if you hit your opponent hard enough you were able to knock them past mountains, cars, dinosaurs etc. Not to mention when you do your ultimate attack in Budokai you were able to destroy the world with it.

              Again if you hate 2D just come out and say it. You wont hurt anyone’s feelings here. It’s better than going back and forth on points that don’t really hold up together.

              • DI

                dude when the f*ck did I say I hate 2D fighters? youre just making things now -.- and even thou any of the games you mentioned are 2D except for street fighter all the others are 2.5D looks like the one that hate something is you

                • TheGameTagerZ

                  I didn’t say you did. I’m basing of how this conversation is heading I made an assumption.

                  Lets end this conversation on the “agree to disagree” note because honestly I’m tired of going back and forth for something that isn’t serious. 3D is here to stay and isn’t going anywhere. I just think OCCASIONALLY they should make Budokai games. So that we can still play the 3D DBZ games but also have 2D Budokai for fans who want to play that as well.

  • tylerc23

    Loved Burst Limit’s cell shading

  • Bdock3601

    Eh I’m not going to express my opinion on this because all the 2d elitists would just jump me so I’ll Just say that I do not know how I feel about xenoverse yet and I need to see way more before it earns my purchase

  • SérgioM3

    Kevin…two things 🙂
    1st – you’re stepping in a dangerous minefield by doing this lol
    2nd – That video…meh…I stopped when the guy said “Tenkaichi” and “Raging Blast” are nothing more then “mindless button mashes” lol That only shows lack of knowledge

    • TheGameTagerZ

      Well they are and I used to play tenkaichi 3 “professionally” you mash A and sometimes use the Y button essentially. And almost everyone feels the same.

    • Staz

      Cool pic

  • Morgiana

    I don’t like the way that it was so easy to master because of the little combos but Dimps said that the game is easy to learn but hard to master and there will be tons of combos and still have fun gameplay.

  • Morgiana

    Did Bandai Namco really “force” them to make a 3D DBZ game, maybe Dimps just wants to try something different.

    • TheGameTagerZ

      No, he was wrong about that. Dimps wanted to do it which I found out after interviewing namco bandai last month.

      • Morgiana

        I’m open to new things, I hope they can pull this off maybe if the game doesn’t do well we could go back to 2D games but that’s a good and bad thing.

  • Greg Nashty

    Xenoverse will be a amazing journey for the Dragon Ball franchise. Every Dragon Ball game has its unique feature (i.e. beautiful graphics, vast character selection, shock and awe finishing moves) but they all have the same downfall. They aren’t as re-playable as Publishers, Developers, and us would like to have. Xenoverse might and should finally bring that feeling of a World of Warcraft effect on the Dragon Ball community. I am very excited for the new 2015 Next-Gen DB game.

  • Wellington Martinez

    BUT 3D HAS MORE FREEDOM. 2D IS WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TO SLOW FOR MOST PEOPLE. IF DBZ IS FAST, THEN OUR DBZ GAMES SHOULD BE FAST(3D FIGHTING). THATS WHY EVEN THOUGH BUDOKAI SOLD THE MOST COPIES, BUDOKAI TENKAICHI 3 IS THE MOST POPULAR DBZ FIGHTING GAME.
    END OF STORY!

    • TheGameTagerZ

      You don’t have to type in all caps when you’re posting your opinion. It comes off as immature.

      Budokai is fast (if you’re good at it). I think you would need facts to prove Tenkaichi 3 was the most popular game. Lets try to separate fanboy opinions to actually have a decent and well rounded discussion here.

      Both 3D and 2D as I said before are restrictive. 3D is restrictive because they tend to be button mashers or two attack button games. This isn’t opinion this is fact since a lot of buttons are dedicated to the boost, the flying and the camera that there isn’t enough buttons to add more attacks with.

      2D is restrictive because it does not represent the feel of the anime like a 3D game would. I think you’re misunderstanding the article (or didn’t bother to read) because I said I do not hate 3D I love the series and I want 3D to stay but why is it when someone talks about 2D the Tenkaichi fanboys selfishly want only 3D to stay instead of letting both exist?

      • Bdock3601

        I’m sorry but that was really immature of yourself to attack him because you obviously disagree with what he said. He never even alluded to you hating 3d so that whole jab about “didn’t bother to read” was unnecessary and crude . So unless he edited something out that i didnt see you had a Valid opinion, poor delivery 6/10

        • TheGameTagerZ

          I haven’t attacked anyone. When I said Tenkaichi fanboys I was speaking generally not specifically to him.

      • Wellington Martinez

        Ok. And you said 2D isn’t dead. Well the games at EVO have always been 2D. Thats why for THOSE games 2D isn’t dead but for game series who want to evolve into something better(DBZ,NARUTO) 2D is dead. Lets be honest here; if 3D is done right(Xenoverse) 3D done right is better than 2D done right.

        • TheGameTagerZ

          2D is not dead across the board. If it was games like Super Smash Bros would be a full 3D game. Please don’t be biased from one side and see it from across the board.

          I never said in the article that 2D should replace 3D and I think that’s the problem here. People think since I want both 3D and 2D to exist people take it as “3D is bad and needs to go away”

          You may have only grown up with 3D Dragon Ball games or barely played Budokai and possibly didn’t like it and if so I get that. But the facts are a 3D game will never have the same combat depth as a 2D game because you have to dedicate more buttons to 3D movements and camera.

          3D best represents the anime look and feel while 2D has a few things that represent the material but is more of a fighter than anything. I enjoy my 3D games too but again there needs to be a balance. I think they should release a 3D game one year and a 2D game the next.

          I hope when you comment next time you look at it through various points of views instead of “2D is dead” or “3D is way better go buy a PS2 if you want to play Budokai” (not saying you said this but it sounds like that’s where you’re heading)

          Comments like that don’t help the discussion.

  • Goku’s Brother From Dif Mother

    I personally like 3D better. Don’t get me wrong, I love 2D… but it feels a little more complex with 3D. If you have more freedom space, then you have WAY more tactics to try… plus if you think about it, mechanics ae easier. Are*
    Besides, XV looks sèxy right now, and its in pre alpha … I’m pretty sure this’ll be a good game.

    • Bdock3601

      I agree 90%

    • TheGameTagerZ

      You have more freedom and more space but end of the day all of these 3D fighters tend to be button mashers. And by that I mean lets take Tenkaichi 3 for example. You’re mashing A and sometimes Y (on the Wii) sure you have your Ki blasts and everything and the game is not super easy but combat wise the depth is lacking.

      3D Dragon Ball games are fun and I loved a lot of them but I know what I’m getting into when I play. I know it will be a fun game but I shouldn’t expect any depth like I would in a Budokai game. You can easily check youtube for combo videos on Budokai or cancel videos to see what I mean.

      3D is easier to get into and easier to master. Even Dimps said it themselves with Xenoverse they aren’t aiming to make it a deep fighter. Just something fun for the casual audience.

      The game DOES look good though and I will be picking it up.

  • Sherlock89

    I think 3d is the way to go with dbz im not interested in it becoming a sport. Hell i hate that they include online because it completely sucks the fun out the game especially if your a fan of dragonball who plays it to engage in the story (naruto uns is a perfect example) Naruto ultimate ninja storm should be in 2D though because its to easy in 3d

  • Ben Tennyson

    wend i play Anime based games i play for fan service not for competitive.

    Naruto and Dragon Ball Z make sense more in a 3D environment.

  • Cronolizer

    well i do like tenkaichi series and 3D Style but i ve completed budokai 3. three times and i had and have all dbz games since ps2 until now and i didnt played tenkaichi and raging blast series. with the same entusiasm as i did on budokai 3 for example. every time i play that game brings me back some good memories from very competitive battles i do think that dimps should try once again budokai formula it works its eficient and never failed. give me some online mode on budokai and im on it 🙂

  • Cronolizer

    well i do like tenkaichi series and 3D Style but i ve completed budokai 3. three times and i had and have all dbz games since ps2 until now and i didnt played tenkaichi and raging blast series. with the same entusiasm as i did on budokai 3 for example. every time i play that game brings me back some good memories from very competitive battles. give me some online mode on budokai and im on it 🙂

  • DBZ_Enthusiast

    GameTagerZ has a point. Sure, the last post was five months ago, but I’ve needed to aire this since December. It looks like it’s going to be based off of the Shin Budokai/Burst Limit fighting engine in terms of combat, and that’s not a bad thing.

    And, for the record? Yes, 2D fighting games are more intense and frenetic. I think Burst Limit pretty much nailed the combat system, though I preferred to Punch and Kick with separate buttons; Infinite World was pretty much a gift from God. The thing 2D games capture better than its 3D, is the melee aspect. If Dragon Ball Z were only about giant beams and explosions, I wouldn’t be interested in it at all…. And that’s where Burst Limit shined. Energy spamming was free, and you could easily dismantle someone who did that by side-stepping their energy beams and pummeling them. It’s also a great game to start learning how to perform Cancel combos, as cancelling a gut punch into an Ultimate felt like such a guilty pleasure. : }